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Re: Amazing Self-delusion (none / 0)

Your views are completely one-sided and factually challenged.

Almost every objective commentator has agreed that the Clintons are the one who raised the issue of race.  Ask yourself a simple question:  Why would a candidate who is trying to become the first AA President choose to make race an issue when AAs have been on the loosing side of the race issue for the last 400 years, and when AAs are only 12% of the population?  Ask yourself "who benefits" from making race an issue? Is it Obama? Of course not.

This mythology you all have cooked up to excuse your candidate's bad behavior is unpersuasive to objective commentators and the majority of the voters in our party.


by upper left on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 02:55:20 PM EST

Re: Amazing Self-delusion (2.00 / 1)

Obama benefits by playing the race card to make Hillary look racist.  D'uh.


by JustJennifer on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:00:28 PM EST
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Re: Amazing Self-delusion (none / 0)

It has never been in Obama's interest to play the race card.

Don't confuse being racist with being willing to use race for political gain.  The Clintons are not racist, but they have clearly shown a willingness to use whatever tactics are available to try to slow down Obama's march to the nomination.

I could go through the entire list of comments by HRC surrogates, but I get the sense that your mind is made up. and not prone to be changed by mere facts.


by upper left on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 08:24:09 PM EST
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Re: Amazing Self-delusion (2.00 / 1)

Ok, ask yourself a simple question: how did it actually work out?
Did Obama's support from the AA community, previously appreciative and loyal to the Clintons, jump into the 90% range?  
Did Democratic leaders use it to withdraw their support for her?  
Did the media echo chamber it to support their view of her as unscrupulous, devious, amoral, ambitious, do-any-thing-to win?
Did the so-called progressive community leap on their high horse and pillory her on this subject since South Carolina?
Mythology?  Yes, indeed, who actually did benefit?
On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:04:35 PM EST
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Re: Amazing Self-delusion (none / 0)

Ohio, Pennsylvania, Hispanics everywhere?  

The nomination would already be Obama's, if it where not for the racial tensions that have effected down-scale whites and Hispanics.


by upper left on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 08:26:35 PM EST
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Re: objective commentator? (none / 0)

are there any??
who???
by jentwisl on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:05:49 PM EST
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Re: Amazing Self-delusion (2.00 / 1)

This is total nonsense.  This was all started with the LBJ comment that per BO himself made a point of discussing.  LBJ was an equal partner in civil rights?????  It was BO's and his campaign that started this.  

AND the day after super Tuesday and BO's big loses in TX, OH, and RI it was dkos that had multiple threads about HRC is a racist and this was also pushed by his people.  Lets look back. The racist darkening of the clip?  The 3 am ad was really racist from the NYT editoral??  Then suggesting that HRC put Ferraro up to making those statments and KO does nuclear on HRC. etc.

So let me get this everyone agrees that HRC rasied the issue of race. PLEASE.

The truth is the BO campaign used race to attack HRC and now it is coming back to bite them and still his supporters blame HRC.

The really is no cure for CDS (clinton Derangement Syndrome).  The BO campaign used race and now it is killiing them with white and older Latino middle class working voters and it is HRC fing fault and not BO??????  PLEASE.

david


by giusd on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:08:43 PM EST
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Correct me if I'm wrong but (none / 0)

The sequence of events that I remember began on Feb 24, 2007:

1.  David Geffen (Obama campaign) accused the Clinton's of being facile liars.

2.  Sen. Kerry responded with his "madrassa" comment and Billy Shaheen with his "shuk'n and jiv'n" comment.

3.  Next, the day before (or after?) the NH primary, Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned whether Hillary had ever shed tears for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

After that, the whole situation broke out into a full scale "to do."

So, if I'm remembering right, it was the Obama campaign that started the personal attacks and it was the Clinton campaign that specifically turned the personal attacks to race.


by dbrown04 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:27:09 PM EST
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong but (none / 0)

Please, do be specific.  What was the first "specifically turned the personal attacks to race" event?


On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:35:37 PM EST
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Well, this is what I remember (none / 0)

Bill Shaheen raised the issue of Obama's drug use, Sen. Kerrey raised the issue of the secular Madrassa and Andrew Cuomo referenced "shuck and jive."

The Cuomo comment occurred at the same time as the Jesse Jackson Jr. comment about Hillary's tears.  Here's a link:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary. do?diaryId=4126

Of course, there are other people who follow the timetable of these events more closely than I do.  To me, it looks like we just kind of slid into the racist overtones a little step at a time.


by dbrown04 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 04:03:28 PM EST
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong but (2.00 / 1)

No,your not remembering right.It started when Obama got all worked up about the LBJ thing.He then sent out a memo to reporters on the night of the NH upset saying it was the Bradly effect[NH voters are racist]Now going into SC he went into full race baiting mode Jessie JR. Didn't cry for Katrina victims,and a memo to his campaign staff to play anything from the Clinton campaign as racist.His excuse after the press got it,it wasn't meant for the press.So Obama is a died in the wool race baiter just like Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.


I've fallen and I can get up
by grab1 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:44:30 PM EST
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